Episode 29 - Capturing Memories That Matter with Ryan Koral
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In this inspiring episode of Beyond Budgets, host Deb Meyer sits down with Ryan Koral—documentary filmmaker, founder of Tell Studios, and married dad of three. Ryan opens up about his journey from navigating childhood money challenges to empowering others to share their stories through the art of video.
Ryan explains how video can go beyond just capturing moments; it can create lasting family legacies and strengthen emotional connections. Together, he and Deb explore the intersection of faith, finances, and storytelling. Tune in for practical insights on managing money within marriage, teaching kids financial values, and using video to document life’s most meaningful moments.
Episode Highlights
(04:40) The Power of Video Storytelling
(13:55) Increasing Giving and Living on Less
(21:49) Effective Client Connection Through Video
(26:11) Winning With Authentic Video Marketing
Connect with Ryan Koral
Connect with Deb Meyer
Full transcript
Deb Meyer (00:04.259)
Hello and welcome to the Beyond Budgets podcast, where we help parents transform their relationship with money. I'm your host Deb Meyer, a certified financial planner, author of Redefining Family Wealth, and mom of three, here to accompany you on the journey.
You guys are in for a treat. I'm so excited to introduce today's guest, Ryan Koral. We've known each other just a couple of months as Mastermind participants. And he's actually the one that gave me confidence to start posting some YouTube shorts. So thank you. I've been in business for like 10 years and this is the first time I've done anything with video. You're like going all in. Just to give a little bit of background about Ryan, he has over 20 years experience as a documentary filmmaker and entrepreneur.
Ryan's all about crafting authentic stories that inspire action and drive business growth. He's also the mastermind behind Tell Studios. And he's been happily married for 21 years. Proud dad of three kids and also a wonderful dog, Koda. All right, when not dreaming of big business ideas, you'll find him cracking dad jokes, hanging with friends and family, or in the middle of a meaningful conversation just like today.
Ryan Koral:
Wow! Thank you. Coming all this way to Effingham Illinois.
Deb Meyer:
Yeah, we’re doing the Mastermind meetup here and thought we’d take advantage of it.
Ryan Koral:
Thanks for inviting me to do this.
Deb Meyer:
Tell us a little bit of your backstory. It’s always fun to get to know you on a personal level.
Ryan Koral:
I’ve been running Tell Studios about 20 years. I worked at a small Christian college in the Detroit area. I convinced my boss to buy me a video camera and computer in 2002, I think it was. One thing led to another and I couldn’t not make video.
I would stay up till like two in the morning editing stuff and I just felt like I could keep going. I just had this passion. And so I just told my boss, I'm like, I need to pursue this video thing because I just love it so much. And for me, the passion really has come from people's stories and knowing that everybody has a story. And think my love for video started when I was a little kid making terrible zombie movies that were just so embarrassing and cringe-worthy if I were to share them today.
But it was always a fun hobby playing around with video. It was also really difficult just because technology didn't allow you to shoot and edit fast. Editing took forever because the technology just hadn't caught up yet. And fast forward to when I'm making video with real digital equipment. For me, like the church that we went to had this really amazing video production department, and they would create these, they would tell these stories of like individuals or families and kind of just talk about their own transformation.
Life is happening, struggles, whatever, lost a job, lost a spouse, like tragic things happen. And for these people to kind of go through this transformation of, for most of all these stories, it was a fate's journey. And I couldn't, these were like seven or eight minute long videos. And I think every single one of them, I just like, I would just weep. I mean, they're just powerful.
I'm just like, these are like just regular people and everybody has a story that is like this. And so for me, just, wanted to be able to tell stories like that. And that was really the driver behind doing videos. I was like, I want to tell stories and as humans, think we have incredible stories, but I think most people don't think that they're anything special. And so it's my job to help them realize that they do have something and that their story can inspire somebody else. So.
So yeah, it's fun. And today, the way that, you I've got a team, we've got this really cool studio in Metro Detroit. We work a lot with businesses and create a lot of like marketing type documentary style, but pieces that ideally would connect on an emotional level so that you can build trust and kind of create this relationship with like an ideal client. That's awesome. Yeah, I know just speaking to the idea of any person can document things on a video, important family memories because
I know just speaking from personal experience, when I lost my mom, I will look back at old pictures of the two of us, but the pictures are just capturing one little glimpse. Whereas if I look at a video of her on her 70th birthday or just something special like that, it actually brings me more joy around it because I see she was so happy in that moment and it's just a different way of capturing important memories.
Andrea and I got married in 2001 and two months after that, my dad told us that he had just found out that he had cancer and he had sickness to live. And, you know, we're like brand newly married and we're like, my gosh, like we've already got like, you know, this kind of crazy life scenario in front of us. And after he passed, you know, we had, we had our wedding film, which was not, I mean, it was a wedding video and he's like on it. And I'm like, you know, I see those moments, but I just wish I'm like, man, I wish we would have interviewed him and had been able to not just see him, because we have all these pictures, but I just want to hear his voice.
It's just powerful. The medium is very powerful, and I understand that. one of my drivers is, capture these stories. Don't wait. mean, especially now today, the technology in your pocket with your smartphone, you can actually capture really high quality stuff and to be able to relive those memories, especially for future generations that might not ever know these people.
Yeah, I do kind of feel this like, compellingness to help empower and encourage people to capture some of these stories. Yeah, that's powerful. You don't think about video in that fashion typically, you know, it's more about, we got to market the business or market whatever. And it's like, no, like, it can be a really powerful medium just for parents, regardless of what their profession. All around. And that's why I'm like, I just feel like it makes sense from in personal life and in business.
It's like, yeah, like, if you can share with people what you do, why you do it, why you care, like all that stuff in a 30-second or a two-minute video, it's like, man, there's like so much power in this medium. And I'm thankful to have found something that I feel like is like, this can make a huge impact.
Deb Meyer:
Well, let's shift gears a little bit. So I know Beyond Budgets, we're obviously a financial-focused podcast. Let's talk about what's your earliest money memory, or I guess most memorable from your childhood?
Ryan Koral:
Well, I think one of the most fun ones, I've got some fun ones and some not so fun ones. My parents got divorced when I was 11 going into seventh grade, like terrible time for parents. If you're going to get divorced, don't do it when you have kids in middle school. It's just really hard. Just don't do it. Unsolicited advice. We moved, we lived with my dad and we moved to this downtown area and I was playing baseball with this one kid who lived really close. And so I had his phone number.
It was the middle of summer, like, hey, let's go see a movie. And we're like, okay, cool, like we'll just meet up at the theater. And I remember I didn't have a job, I hardly had any money. My dad, we lived with my dad, my dad worked midnights, so he would sleep during the day. So it was the middle of the day, I'm like, I don't know, I'm like, I do have $5. It felt like a million dollars. Grabbed the $5, and I think back then the movie probably cost three or $4, something like that. Walked to the theater, know, it's like a 10 minute walk, meet my buddy Chad at the theater and…
he pays for his ticket and reach in my pocket and I reach my other pocket and I'm like, my gosh, I'm looking around, like, I lost the $5. And I was devastated because to me, I'm like, if my parents find out that I lost $5, I'm probably going to get in trouble. But I'm devastated. like, I can't see this movie. And it was just a really terrible feeling until my buddy Chad was like, dude, I got you. And he reaches it in his pocket. I'm like, is this guy rich? Like what?
What? I mean, it was the first time that I had a friend like my age that like paid for anything of mine and I was blown away. I think I had a pretty interesting relationship with my growing up. I think there was a very like scarcity mindset in our family and so much so, you know, when I was a little bit older and I had a job, I mean, my dad frequently would say like, I don't get paid until Friday. Like, do you have a hundred bucks that I can have? And sometimes I would get paid back and sometimes I wouldn't.
And it was just, I was embarrassed by that. I hated it. I didn't like that my dad didn't have enough money or... And back then, you know, I think I knew a little bit like, I don't think he's managing it well. And I would see things that he's, you know, that we did have and be confused. Like, how do we have money for that? But why is he asking me for like, this doesn't make sense. Yeah, he wasn't stewarding it well. Or making decisions that you're like, this doesn't drive with.
Deb Meyer (09:15.245)
Taking that experience, because it is hard. I mean, all of us have baggage growing up from decisions parents made or siblings or whatever the situation. How did you use that experience and kind of shape some of the financial decisions you're making now, or especially as you relate to your kids? Like, what are you trying to instill in them in terms of values or positive habits?
Ryan Koral:
Try not to borrow money from. That's a good starting point. I mean, I think that was like, that was a goal. I'm like, I don't ever want to be in a position where I have to borrow money from my kids. I saw my dad make poor decisions with money. I think he had a pretty good job. I mean, he's a blue-collar worker, but he made pretty good money for what he did. But it was just not, wasn't managed well.
And so, you know, with our kids, you know, I don't think that I'm this amazing example at all, but I've done a good job of surrounding ourselves with friends who are really good with money and have helped us. One of the jokes, I think we've done Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University, we got to that and we've done the envelope system a couple of different times in our marriage. And it was really difficult. But like our favorite story is so bad. I was cleaning out a closet at our old house and there was like
you know, just a bunch of stuff like papers and, and I kind of looked through everything. I'm like, I'm just going to throw this stuff out. And then I was like, wait, I'm like, wait, what this envelope looks like it was open. And I like grabbed this envelope that wasn't sealed. And there was like eight $100 bills in this envelope. And Andrew and I are like, when did we like, what was this? There was no name on it for which file it was supposed to go in. And we're just like, we're so, so bad.
Fortunately,we had some excess so it wasn't like, you know, we didn't Well, it's a blessing, right? It was a lovely surprise. was a lovely surprise. you know, I have a 17-year-old son and right now he wants to buy a car. He's got a car and it works. it's, you he's in his senior year and he's like, I just want a really cool car for my last year school.
And then, you know, I can get something like what you have that's like, not flashy, gets good gas mileage, is reliable, has all-wheel drive. I live in Michigan so there's snow. And so I have to just tell him, in my opinion, spending your money on something that you don't have the money for. He's like, can you, I'm like, I don't have the money to give you for a new car. It makes no sense for me to do that. He's talked about, well, I could lease a car. And he's like, I'd only have to pay like $250 a month.
And I'm like, okay, well, you know, like, you going to come up with us? Well, he works and so he could actually, he could actually pay for it. then I'm like, in two years, you have to give the car back. And he's like, wait, you don't like, you don't get to keep the, you're giving him money. I'm like, yeah, but then you just have to, I'm like, I don't have a car payment. Your mom doesn't have a car payment. And I'm like, I'm going to live for as long as I can not having a car payment. And I'm like, there's a lot of freedom in that. So I think, you know, it's like these little real-life situations that come up where we have not been perfect, but we try to encourage our kids when they get money, you know, you should save some, you should give some, you know, just try to make good decisions with it. so we try to emulate that and, but it's challenging. You know, you have kids that they want to challenge. They want to kind of figure out why don't they, you know, get a new car or why can't they help me get a car?
Or they see friends doing things, friends' parents. We live in a community. Well, got this. So I can't, yeah. Yeah, that's definitely challenging. I can't remember who I heard say this, but I've told Evan especially. I'm like, we could, if I really wanted to, he's like, dad, you should get that car. You should get a, you know. And I'm like, I could. I just don't, that's not the best use of our money. We've got other things that we want to do with our money and it doesn't grow on trees. I don't think I told him that, but that's the idea.
Deb Meyer (11:35.127)
Well, and I'm sure some of that too, just the doesn't grow on trees. I remember hearing that a lot from my dad growing up. I realized that is some scarcity mindset talking, right? It's like the idea of there's just only so much. I do think at least in the entrepreneurial journey, there's a little more like, there's hope, there's opportunity that like there is possibility for abundance. I'm not saying you have to be an entrepreneur to experience that, but like I do think some of us are more open-minded to the possibility that there isn't a finite amount of money or funds.
We can actually change the financial trajectory in a positive way. And it's really dealing with the stuff that we know is within our control, right? Like, I presume you're a believer having the Christian college background, but like, just understanding that we're to be stewards of that money. And it's really not ours, it's really God's that we're just trying to make wise, sound decisions with.
Ryan Koral:
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's like, I grew up with a very scarcity mindset and it took actually, you know, I was 18 years old when I started following Jesus and really studying scripture and understanding, you know, what does it mean to be a steward and what does it mean to trust God and this idea of like living open-handedly and being generous. And I'm like, that's what I want to be generous. But there's something in me that's like not letting me.
And so is this like, you know, this practice in this commitment and being consistent where our goal, Andrea and I have, we've wanted to try to give more money every year as we, as we make more money, definitely as we make more money, but, but also like, man is, can we live on less? Is that possible? And we've given and we've seen like returns in ways that you can't measure, you know, with money. And to just know that.
When we're able to, we talked about it earlier today, Mike was sharing earlier in the Mastermind session just about generosity and it's just such a better way to live. And just because it hurts doesn't mean it's not good. Sacrificial, it's more powerful. Yeah, yeah. And so I think the last 30 years or so trying to live more open-handedly and really believe in this idea of abundance and that God has so much bigger.
It's like, when I think about my bank account, I'm like, this is embarrassingly small, like in the grand scheme of all of the things. And it's just funny that I'm like, okay, this is my thing. it's like, it's not. It's anything that I have, it's all a gift. My kids, my wife, the work that I get to do. And when I can approach every day like this, it's just, I just feel more free. Awesome. Thank you for being vulnerable, honest about that.
Deb Meyer:
So tell me a little bit more about how you and Andrea, how you guys manage the finances within marriage. Because I know lots of couples do it differently. you're willing to go there.
Ryan Koral:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If she were here, she'd be like, how are we doing, Ryan? Yeah, yeah. And I'd be like, wait, you don't know? It's a funny topic because some of our best friends, we have two other couples that we've been doing life with for well over a decade, actually about two decades. And they always make fun of us.
They're like, wait, Andrea doesn't know? I'm like, well, it's just like, it's a thing. She's the best. Like, I just love her to death. And I've just assumed this responsibility. When we first got married, we kind of, went through pre-marital counseling and we started assigning each other, okay, these are gonna be your jobs and responsibilities. These are gonna be my job and responsibilities. And, you know, one of my jobs was the finances. And then one of our goals was that, you know, we're gonna have kids and she's gonna stay at home and that's a dream of ours and we were able to do that forever, you know, three kids.
So in that time, I just I got used to carrying the weight, which is very interesting, because if I wasn't an entrepreneur, there would be this like, hey, we know every single year, you know, you're going to make $100,000 or whatever it is, like, we just know every single month, the checks the same. And it's less predictable. Yeah, a little less predictable in this world. You know, some months we have like this massive amount like, my gosh, that's like three months worth it.
And then we go for three months not making anything. And it's like, for me, I feel like for a long time, I thought I was doing a service to Andrea by not like burdening her with the weight of, you know, some of the financial things that were, and we've gone through some very tough times. And it's usually when like I'm getting pretty low, like just I'm like, man, this is like, this is too tough for me to carry.
Like you read through my journals and like my prayer time and stuff, you would just see and hear my dependence on God, like, I know you're gonna show up, but like when and how's it gonna look and you know, all of those things. But I don't think I've done a good job of inviting her into that all the time or even most of the time. And so, you know, I think we've, don't wanna say like we're both like okay with how it is. I mean, it's sorta worked, but there will be times where she'll be like, I wish I knew and I'm like, yeah, I know. And I don't know if I just feel like it's too much work.
Or probably, I mean, if I get to the root of it, it's probably just, it's gonna stress me out because I'm gonna feel even more weight. Not that she would put any weight on me, but once I start sharing it, it's like, gosh, like, okay, now there's here's some accountability or like whatever that might be. This is not the way. okay. Well, I will say though, having taken some of the Dave Ramsey courses, at least like doing that together, that's a great foundational step, at least getting on the same page with that.
Deb Meyer (18:35.193)
Just in the work I've done with couples, think finding someone that is more interested in the numbers, like usually they're the ones that, again, if we're working in a one-on-one engagement, they're the ones I'm checking in more frequently with of like, can you update this? Can you send this or whatever? But it's always important to include your spouse in those conversations because something unexpected could happen health-wise and you don't want them to be left in the dark either.
So I'd encourage you and I'm not a counselor here or anything else, but just encourage you to maybe have more regular scheduled check-ins rather than like, hey, I'm only going to let her know this, that this is really stressing me out, but just having it be more of a normal routine and conversation between the two of you. Yeah. I mean, that's great advice. think I just look at our rhythms of usually at the end of the year when we're doing stuff for taxes, like we'll maybe talk about what things are going to look like.
Ryan Koral:
Definitely when we're making plans or dreaming, we're like, hey, like, wouldn't it be cool to do this or to go here? And so we'll talk about finances like that. having a regular rhythm, I think I would love that. But even like, what does that look like? Or, you know, what's a framework or anything? We don't have like, we don't have that. it's just. Well, that'll be a challenge for me to create a framework. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, so like, you know, what are the three questions we should be asking each other on a weekly or monthly basis, you when we talk to our finances and maybe one of questions that she could ask me is like, hey, what's your stress level like with our finances right now? I'd be like, shoot, yeah, that's a good question. This is coming up or this happened or so.
Deb Meyer:
Yeah, interesting. Well, and it's especially, as you said, important for entrepreneurs because their cash flow can be more irregular. I mean, even like S Corp owners, have some some regularity with salary and things, but there's just a lot of unpredictability. And if you don't have an outside spouse that's earning a regular W-2 paycheck, it can be an added stress to try to figure those things out. So, I’d just encourage yourself and anyone in that position to have some of those more frequent conversations. And I will be working on a resource on what should be some questions.
All right, so let's switch gears. I know you talked a little bit about video in the beginning. I do want to draw a little bit more on your expertise. So someone that, let's say they are doing it for business purposes, whether they're working for a company that's looking to get involved in video more or just a solopreneur or small business that's looking for more exposure. What are some good starting points for someone that doesn't have experience in video?
Ryan Koral:
Yeah, I mean, the first place to kind of start is like, why would I want to do video?
I tell all my friends that are in business, have their own business, it's like, you have to show up. There's this thing called hope marketing where, I mean, when I first started my business 20 years ago, I was like hoping that the phone would ring or I'd an email inquiry or something like that. And the way that the algorithms work, the way that social media works, the way that our websites work, it's like, if you're not posting, people aren't going to find you. If you don't have a plan, it's going to be hard to know where do you start.
And if you don't have a real reason like why you should be doing this, then it's just gonna be like, yeah, that's too expensive, too annoying. I don't like being on camera. I don't like the sound of my voice. I I hear that stuff all the time. But if you really think about like, what do you do for a living? And like, what's the results? How do you help people? And is that important? Like, do you believe in the mission that you have? And most people would say like, well, yeah, like that's why I do it. So if you think that you...
can make a difference in people's lives. It is your responsibility to figure out how can you get in front of your ideal client. And video, outside of like going to the perfect networking events or places where you actually get to meet people face to face and tell me, know, what are you passionate about? What do you love? And what do you, and you do this for living. Wow, that's so cool. Outside of that, like video is like the next best thing that can actually be more than just information.
When you can hear somebody's passion, when you can see them, when you have that experience on video that is not just like, I'm going to read a bunch of things, I'm going read a script, and like, there's no soul in that. But if you can show up and share just a little bit of realness, authenticity, and talk about like why you care about the kind of work that you do, or talk about a client that you helped and how their life is better now because of the work that you got to be a part of with them, that's the stuff that can only help your business.
And some people, wow, but I seriously, don't like, I just, I sound like a dummy. I'm gonna mess up a ton and people appreciate the fact that people will have the guts to show up on video. Because most people don't want to. People hate public speaking. I think there's some kind of a relationship in there somewhere.
So I would just say, if you believe in the work that you're doing, showing up on video to kind of, at the very least talk about why you do this work and how you want to make an impact in the world. Like that builds trust. So if somebody's looking at your company versus another company and you've got a video and it could be this most simple video in the world. It could just be you pulling your phone out and saying like, Hey, today some business friends of mine challenged me to like make a video saying like why I care about this work. So here I am uncomfortable that I'm on camera, right? Addressing the things, very things that
Instead of like, yeah, so I am so and so, the owner of, it's like, tell people why you're shaking and just nervous out of your boots. And people will just, the empathy that will be created there, you can't measure that. It's like, people will be with you. People will be like, my gosh, I would never go on video, but like, I love the bravery and the courage that person had to do that. But now you have this advantage, because not only are you able to articulate, who you wanna work with and how you wanna help them.
This person probably hasn't shown up. And if they did, they probably haven't shown up authentically. And so what you've done, you've created this emotional connection on top of just the story. You've built this emotional connection. And if you can connect emotionally, like there's, think, neuroscience or something way smarter than me that would say, like, you've got a much better chance of that person wanting to work with you because you're relatable.
You're real and you're not AI, you're not just some copy and the best photos of you on the website or not even you but like stock footage or photos of just random people or whatever. But if you can kind of break through that and just show up as you are, think that puts you in a whole other category. And then the step further is like not just having one video but trying to not beat the algorithm but become friends with the algorithm and hope that you're showing up on a consistent basis.
We'll get in front of, eventually, we'll get in front of your ideal clients, and people aren't waking up in the morning thinking like, I need a video, or I need to call Ryan at Tell Studios, like this is, I can't wait to do that today, like nobody is doing that. Like, just don't forget that.
But if somebody's scrolling on social, and they see me hop on their screen, and I'm like, hey, are you struggling to get new leads in your business. If so, want to show you one video technique that's going to help you get more discovery calls. Right. So for that person in that moment, like they can answer that question and be like, yeah, that actually is me. Right. So now I've got their attention at least. And then hopefully I can deliver something that is helpful for them. And we've all got like tips, tricks and FAQs and things that add value, inform, help.
But the only way people see that stuff, got to, it's, you know, got to interrupt the flow or the scroll. For better or worse, it's having a plan for social media. Two years ago, three years ago, I've been like, no, Deb, I've been doing this work for so long. I do not want to add this thing, but I've seen the results in my business. I've seen the results in our clients' businesses. And it's like, you can't not do it. Like, you have to use video. And if you're going to use it, like, the more you can show up as you're like authentic, vulnerable, like, here's who we are. Man, you're just going to be winning sooner.
Deb Meyer:
Awesome! Okay. So for people that are like, hey, that's me you're talking to, I'm fired up, I want to kind of take that next step. Do you have a good, well, I know you have a good resource because I downloaded it. As soon as I met you in the mastermind, I was like, okay, I'm going to check this out. It was really good. It was very detailed, had a lot of important information. So in addition to the free download, you know, get on the email list and things like that. Do you have any projects in the works that would help people even at more of an entry level that are just kind of feeling their way into video?
Ryan Koral:
Yeah, so in 2020, we had to stop going to our studio, right? And so I kind of built like a little makeshift studio at my house in our basement. And since then, you know, I'm always on the lookout for like, what's a good, very inexpensive light or what's a good tripod for my smartphone. So I've got all these I've tried all these different little gadgets on a budget because in my mind, I'm like, this is just my home studio.
I'm not bringing clients here. Nobody needs to know the brands or anything like that. When we go on set, sometimes there's an expectation that this stuff needs to look professional and whatever. As I've been doing this and also realizing that not everybody can afford our production company to do video for their business or their brand. But my deep desire is to help people tell their story. And so I just had this epiphany not too long ago where I'm like, I need to just help people with their smartphone because you can do so much with this tool.
And I think it's like if people start using their smartphone and feel like, man, I made that video, I posted it, I actually got some interaction like, whoa, this thing works. you could probably just use your phone forever to create video. And for some people, they might want to upgrade, they might want better lights, better lenses, whatever, and that's definitely an option. So I started this thing called the Smartphone Film Academy. And the idea is like, let me help you gain some confidence, create a framework for how you can make videos, and just walk people through, here's a process that you can apply with whatever it is that you want to do. In this context, it's really around business.
My hope is that you're going to learn some basic ways for how you should hold your phone, should you always hold your phone. What about lighting? Should we have mixed light, like different color there, different color here? What does that even mean? So some very basic principles on framing, in lighting, in audio, in camera techniques, so that people can feel like, I finally get it, and it's not complicated. We can get very, very complicated if we want, but the idea is like, how can we make this so simple that people have this renewed confidence that they don't really have an excuse anymore to create content? They can know that this looks good and this sounds good because I'm following some kind of a framework that works.
So the Smartphone Film Academy, I've got the free guide if you go to tellstudios.com/Academy. Okay people can get access to the Academy we're building it out as a course I also have a cohort where I'll take people through and The fun part about that is people show me what they're shooting right now And then you know by the end of the cohort it's like okay Let's look at your before and you're after and then people for people to get like real-time feedback on hey that lights too bright or hey your camera should be a little bit higher so that you're looking you know, more eye level versus like, you know, the camera's like filming up at your face and we can see your triple chin and that's not a flattering look for any of us.
If you sign up for the Academy stuff, you'll find out when we're doing our next cohort. And my heart is to really help as many people create video because I do know how important it is and how impactful it can be for your business, but also just in regular day to day life. thank you.
Deb Meyer (30:20.227)
This has been wonderful. Okay, so tellstudios.com/academy for the download and to learn more about that Smartphone Film Academy. Awesome. great. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. This is fun. Thanks. Shout out to Alex for letting us use his. Yes, we're very grateful. I was like, hey, you want to do something in here? sure. We can use this random thing. Love the work that you're doing and thanks for inviting me to be part of it. Awesome. Thanks.
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